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	<description>exactly that</description>
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		<title>By: tip of the hat/ wag of the finger* &#171; random babble&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/04/13/dealing-w-my-own-privilege/#comment-800</link>
		<dc:creator>tip of the hat/ wag of the finger* &#171; random babble&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] life problem fixers that are not available to my friends in the LGBTQ community.  many of you read my own musings on privilege where i discussed why i struggled w/ the decision to get married myself, after a long time of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] life problem fixers that are not available to my friends in the LGBTQ community.  many of you read my own musings on privilege where i discussed why i struggled w/ the decision to get married myself, after a long time of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: changing perspectives &#171; random babble&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/04/13/dealing-w-my-own-privilege/#comment-729</link>
		<dc:creator>changing perspectives &#171; random babble&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 06:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  while i have been musing on the issue of my own privilege, and trying to understand racism better, i have noticed that it has changed the way i look at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  while i have been musing on the issue of my own privilege, and trying to understand racism better, i have noticed that it has changed the way i look at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: firesong</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/04/13/dealing-w-my-own-privilege/#comment-585</link>
		<dc:creator>firesong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really relate to how you feel.  I resent being called "white" as well, because I am half-Asian.  But my skin is light and I was raised in the States and I speak perfect English.  I don't consider myself white, but in my heart, I also know that I don't truly think of myself as a WOC, either.  Like you said, if others perceive of me as white, then I MUST be benefitting somehow.

Thank you for sharing these thoughts with all of us.  It's very encouraging to me; I will be reading and reflecting and learning as well and it's helpful to know that there are others who feel the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really relate to how you feel.  I resent being called &#8220;white&#8221; as well, because I am half-Asian.  But my skin is light and I was raised in the States and I speak perfect English.  I don&#8217;t consider myself white, but in my heart, I also know that I don&#8217;t truly think of myself as a WOC, either.  Like you said, if others perceive of me as white, then I MUST be benefitting somehow.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing these thoughts with all of us.  It&#8217;s very encouraging to me; I will be reading and reflecting and learning as well and it&#8217;s helpful to know that there are others who feel the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: what she said&#8230; &#171; random babble&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/04/13/dealing-w-my-own-privilege/#comment-544</link>
		<dc:creator>what she said&#8230; &#171; random babble&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is that privilege doesn&#8217;t make you bad.  i am not vilifying anyone for having privilege.  i have plenty of my own, so that would be self defeating.  but all i am saying is that everyone has privilege of some [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is that privilege doesn&#8217;t make you bad.  i am not vilifying anyone for having privilege.  i have plenty of my own, so that would be self defeating.  but all i am saying is that everyone has privilege of some [...]</p>
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		<title>By: judgesnineteen</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/04/13/dealing-w-my-own-privilege/#comment-449</link>
		<dc:creator>judgesnineteen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know if I was clear, but absolutely, not having to think about accessibility issues is a form of privilege, and being treated better for not having a disability is too.  I may have misunderstood at first, but I was just trying to distinguish not having a disability, which I don't consider a privilege in the sense we're talking about, from the unfair and changeable privileges that derive from not having a disability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I was clear, but absolutely, not having to think about accessibility issues is a form of privilege, and being treated better for not having a disability is too.  I may have misunderstood at first, but I was just trying to distinguish not having a disability, which I don&#8217;t consider a privilege in the sense we&#8217;re talking about, from the unfair and changeable privileges that derive from not having a disability.</p>
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		<title>By: ouyangdan</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/04/13/dealing-w-my-own-privilege/#comment-447</link>
		<dc:creator>ouyangdan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  thank-you everyone for the discussion here!

Melissa, especially, b/c i really really needed to hear that just now.  there are a lot of issues involved, some that i really don't want to post in an open forum like this, but things that marriage would solve for us...and it has been really heavy on my heart and conscience.  thank-you.

Oro and Pizza, thank-you, you said exactly what i was going to when i got home from work.  i think disabled people don't want to be pitied, who does?  but they deserve to be considered in things like being able to enter public buildings and go to pubs like everyone else.  on my bad days, two or three stairs are almost more than i can handle.  on good days, i try to be very conscious of the world the way i saw it on the bad days.  does that make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  thank-you everyone for the discussion here!</p>
<p>Melissa, especially, b/c i really really needed to hear that just now.  there are a lot of issues involved, some that i really don&#8217;t want to post in an open forum like this, but things that marriage would solve for us&#8230;and it has been really heavy on my heart and conscience.  thank-you.</p>
<p>Oro and Pizza, thank-you, you said exactly what i was going to when i got home from work.  i think disabled people don&#8217;t want to be pitied, who does?  but they deserve to be considered in things like being able to enter public buildings and go to pubs like everyone else.  on my bad days, two or three stairs are almost more than i can handle.  on good days, i try to be very conscious of the world the way i saw it on the bad days.  does that make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa McEwan</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/04/13/dealing-w-my-own-privilege/#comment-442</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa McEwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, O.

I had to struggle with the marriage issue, too.  Because Iain is British, and because neither of us had a job that made us suitable for work visas, the only way we could be together was if we got married.  I had some serious angst about that for the same reasons; when I mentioned it to my best friend Todd and his then-partner of more than a decade, they just laughed in disbelief.  They couldn't believe I'd even thought about it that way.  Todd's response was, approximately: "Your consideration of our inequality will make more of a difference toward our getting equality than your not marrying Iain would."  Which was very generous of him -- and I think good guidance in must-do situations like yours or mine.

If I hadn't &lt;em&gt;had&lt;/em&gt; to get married, I wouldn't have.  But I did guarantee one more eventual vote for marriage equality by marrying him, too!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, O.</p>
<p>I had to struggle with the marriage issue, too.  Because Iain is British, and because neither of us had a job that made us suitable for work visas, the only way we could be together was if we got married.  I had some serious angst about that for the same reasons; when I mentioned it to my best friend Todd and his then-partner of more than a decade, they just laughed in disbelief.  They couldn&#8217;t believe I&#8217;d even thought about it that way.  Todd&#8217;s response was, approximately: &#8220;Your consideration of our inequality will make more of a difference toward our getting equality than your not marrying Iain would.&#8221;  Which was very generous of him &#8212; and I think good guidance in must-do situations like yours or mine.</p>
<p>If I hadn&#8217;t <em>had</em> to get married, I wouldn&#8217;t have.  But I did guarantee one more eventual vote for marriage equality by marrying him, too!  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pizzadiavola</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/04/13/dealing-w-my-own-privilege/#comment-441</link>
		<dc:creator>pizzadiavola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;but I don’t think they want us to feel bad that they can’t walk or whatever; I think their problem is that people react to us better *because* we can walk.&lt;/em&gt;

J19, the better reaction is a form of privilege.  A quiet, hidden form of privilege is just being treated as normal and not having to think about things constantly because you and I are able-bodied.  It's not having to think about things such as "does this building have an elevator?" (something I wondered about when I was apartment hunting--I looked at six different buildings and every single one had a flight of stairs from the street to the entrance, and no ramp.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>but I don’t think they want us to feel bad that they can’t walk or whatever; I think their problem is that people react to us better *because* we can walk.</em></p>
<p>J19, the better reaction is a form of privilege.  A quiet, hidden form of privilege is just being treated as normal and not having to think about things constantly because you and I are able-bodied.  It&#8217;s not having to think about things such as &#8220;does this building have an elevator?&#8221; (something I wondered about when I was apartment hunting&#8211;I looked at six different buildings and every single one had a flight of stairs from the street to the entrance, and no ramp.)</p>
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		<title>By: pizzadiavola</title>
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		<dc:creator>pizzadiavola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;if i am offensive or i go about something the wrong way, call me out on that shit, but please, give me the benefit of that doubt of not knowing better yet, and hold me accountable to the change. i don’t think i can be as bad as i think i am, but it is a learning and growing process for me.&lt;/em&gt;

I think that, and your efforts to read widely and educate yourself, are important first steps.  The biggest barrier that I've found in talking to people in RL about sexism, heterosexism, and poverty, is that they're unwilling to be self-reflective and examine their own privileges when they make mistakes.  A willingness to read and listen may not seem like much, but they're the foundation on which everything else is built.

I've been trying to read more widely and especially read WOC lately, too, because I want to know more and I want to be involved.  I'm second-generation Korean and so their fight is my fight--I've just been insulated from it by class privilege.  Reading doesn't seem like much on face, but I've found that it's the gateway to activism in the real world: blogswarms, writing letters, contacting representatives, finding volunteer opportunities I never knew existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>if i am offensive or i go about something the wrong way, call me out on that shit, but please, give me the benefit of that doubt of not knowing better yet, and hold me accountable to the change. i don’t think i can be as bad as i think i am, but it is a learning and growing process for me.</em></p>
<p>I think that, and your efforts to read widely and educate yourself, are important first steps.  The biggest barrier that I&#8217;ve found in talking to people in RL about sexism, heterosexism, and poverty, is that they&#8217;re unwilling to be self-reflective and examine their own privileges when they make mistakes.  A willingness to read and listen may not seem like much, but they&#8217;re the foundation on which everything else is built.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to read more widely and especially read WOC lately, too, because I want to know more and I want to be involved.  I&#8217;m second-generation Korean and so their fight is my fight&#8211;I&#8217;ve just been insulated from it by class privilege.  Reading doesn&#8217;t seem like much on face, but I&#8217;ve found that it&#8217;s the gateway to activism in the real world: blogswarms, writing letters, contacting representatives, finding volunteer opportunities I never knew existed.</p>
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		<title>By: Orodemniades</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orodemniades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J19, I hear what you're saying about the disability movement, and I agree that it's not about them wanting us to feel bad, etc (well, mostly, I'm sure ;) ). It's the little things like being able to go into stores that have stairs at their entrances (especially prevalent in the UK - I remember seeing a report where wheelchair bound folks had to go to Heathrow to have a drink because of stairs at their local pub), or not being able to open doors, heck, even the height of sinks and store counters...little stuff that no one ever thinks about until they have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J19, I hear what you&#8217;re saying about the disability movement, and I agree that it&#8217;s not about them wanting us to feel bad, etc (well, mostly, I&#8217;m sure <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ). It&#8217;s the little things like being able to go into stores that have stairs at their entrances (especially prevalent in the UK - I remember seeing a report where wheelchair bound folks had to go to Heathrow to have a drink because of stairs at their local pub), or not being able to open doors, heck, even the height of sinks and store counters&#8230;little stuff that no one ever thinks about until they have to.</p>
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