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	<title>Comments on: changing perspectives</title>
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	<description>exactly that</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Red Queen (aka the Senatrix)</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/05/10/changing-perspectives/#comment-750</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Queen (aka the Senatrix)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 06:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And shit- now I have another book I need to send you</description>
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		<title>By: Red Queen (aka the Senatrix)</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/05/10/changing-perspectives/#comment-749</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Queen (aka the Senatrix)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 06:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok babes- here's getting into some heavy duty colonial examination.

We look at non-western places through one of two lenses, either scary bad evil (see most of the Arab world at the moment) or super-romanticized, which is called "idealizing the native".  As a native woman- you should be familiar with the second one. It's the one that makes all Native Americans into peaceful noble savages or that makes dumb Californians flock to Buddhism as the one pure religion without a history of corruption. Either way- scary bad or romantic refuses to look at people as people or things in an honest light. 

In the romanticizing part, even the way we talk about the land turns it into a sexual conquest (ah racism and misogyny- like peanut butter and chocolate how they go together). We talk about how there is a virgin wilderness to be conquered or passages that need to be opened up. 
Kippling is probably the king of idealizing the native in literature. 

And the problem with this video is that it is very Kippling-esque. Lead singer is the intellectual conqueror, I'm not quite sure how I feel about his black librarian (it's actually kind of a plus, but...) 

hurry boy she's waiting there for you is very much a call to conquer. Africa- she's waiting for you!

(I say this and my little adventurous spirit likes this song and wants to run away to Africa after listening to it over and over again. )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok babes- here&#8217;s getting into some heavy duty colonial examination.</p>
<p>We look at non-western places through one of two lenses, either scary bad evil (see most of the Arab world at the moment) or super-romanticized, which is called &#8220;idealizing the native&#8221;.  As a native woman- you should be familiar with the second one. It&#8217;s the one that makes all Native Americans into peaceful noble savages or that makes dumb Californians flock to Buddhism as the one pure religion without a history of corruption. Either way- scary bad or romantic refuses to look at people as people or things in an honest light. </p>
<p>In the romanticizing part, even the way we talk about the land turns it into a sexual conquest (ah racism and misogyny- like peanut butter and chocolate how they go together). We talk about how there is a virgin wilderness to be conquered or passages that need to be opened up.<br />
Kippling is probably the king of idealizing the native in literature. </p>
<p>And the problem with this video is that it is very Kippling-esque. Lead singer is the intellectual conqueror, I&#8217;m not quite sure how I feel about his black librarian (it&#8217;s actually kind of a plus, but&#8230;) </p>
<p>hurry boy she&#8217;s waiting there for you is very much a call to conquer. Africa- she&#8217;s waiting for you!</p>
<p>(I say this and my little adventurous spirit likes this song and wants to run away to Africa after listening to it over and over again. )</p>
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		<title>By: pidomon</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/05/10/changing-perspectives/#comment-747</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 01:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course i am where else would I be? :)

I've been lazy and still have your cool WoW  item in my office but I;ll try to get it in the mail soon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course i am where else would I be? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been lazy and still have your cool WoW  item in my office but I;ll try to get it in the mail soon</p>
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		<title>By: ouyangdan</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/05/10/changing-perspectives/#comment-737</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 23:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks, renee.  it is this portrayal of Africa as some kind of wild thing that disturbs me.  i know there are in fact tribes, as you said...there are tribes here in the US that use spears (mine was one of them).  to me, combined w/ what you added here, it felt the same as when i see Native Americans portrayed as wild savages (such as in my &lt;a href="http://randombabble.com/2008/04/15/where-i-jump-in-and-i-get-pissy-about-disney/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Disney post&lt;/a&gt;).

pido...i always appreciate your two cents as well ;)  at least you are here reading and thinking along w/ me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, renee.  it is this portrayal of Africa as some kind of wild thing that disturbs me.  i know there are in fact tribes, as you said&#8230;there are tribes here in the US that use spears (mine was one of them).  to me, combined w/ what you added here, it felt the same as when i see Native Americans portrayed as wild savages (such as in my <a href="http://randombabble.com/2008/04/15/where-i-jump-in-and-i-get-pissy-about-disney/" rel="nofollow">Disney post</a>).</p>
<p>pido&#8230;i always appreciate your two cents as well <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  at least you are here reading and thinking along w/ me!</p>
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		<title>By: pidomon</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/05/10/changing-perspectives/#comment-735</link>
		<dc:creator>pidomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well let's hope your finished with Toto! :)

All your questions are good ones and I have no answer except for the fact your are asking them means you're on the right road</description>
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<p>All your questions are good ones and I have no answer except for the fact your are asking them means you&#8217;re on the right road</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://randombabble.com/2008/05/10/changing-perspectives/#comment-734</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first time I am seeing this video, though I am very familiar with the song as sort of an 80's junkie myself.   Your question about the speak is a difficult one.  Are there black tribes in Africa that throw spears, ... most certainly. Does their portrayal of them by a white western band make it a racist video?  I think that is answered by reviewing the lyrics of the song.

I stopped an old man along the way
Hoping to find some long forgotten words or ancient melodies
He turned to me as if to say, hurry boy, its waiting there for you

I find this a problem as western nations have sought Africa for the purposes of taking something.  It is simply appropriation put to music.  Whether it is her people, her culture, land, resources, Africa has been and continues to be the land of plunder.

The wild dogs cry out in the night
As they grow restless longing for some solitary company
I know that I must do whats right
Sure as kilimanjaro rises like olympus above the serengeti
I seek to cure whats deep inside, frightened of this thing that Ive become

In his fascination just like Africans himself he has become Africa.  It is his fascination with the "dark continent" has made him a "thing".  Is acknowledging what is right, to mean acknowledge that he must own the wildness inside that can only be "cured" by Africa? 

Gonna take some time to do the things we never had.

On its own a simple statement, but when added to the rest of the lyrics perhaps not.  To me this implies that African experience is a unique experience.  Again not such a bad thing until we connect it with the fact that it turned him into a "thing".  True wildness can only be experienced in Africa.

At any rate that is just my humble two cents, do with it what you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first time I am seeing this video, though I am very familiar with the song as sort of an 80&#8217;s junkie myself.   Your question about the speak is a difficult one.  Are there black tribes in Africa that throw spears, &#8230; most certainly. Does their portrayal of them by a white western band make it a racist video?  I think that is answered by reviewing the lyrics of the song.</p>
<p>I stopped an old man along the way<br />
Hoping to find some long forgotten words or ancient melodies<br />
He turned to me as if to say, hurry boy, its waiting there for you</p>
<p>I find this a problem as western nations have sought Africa for the purposes of taking something.  It is simply appropriation put to music.  Whether it is her people, her culture, land, resources, Africa has been and continues to be the land of plunder.</p>
<p>The wild dogs cry out in the night<br />
As they grow restless longing for some solitary company<br />
I know that I must do whats right<br />
Sure as kilimanjaro rises like olympus above the serengeti<br />
I seek to cure whats deep inside, frightened of this thing that Ive become</p>
<p>In his fascination just like Africans himself he has become Africa.  It is his fascination with the &#8220;dark continent&#8221; has made him a &#8220;thing&#8221;.  Is acknowledging what is right, to mean acknowledge that he must own the wildness inside that can only be &#8220;cured&#8221; by Africa? </p>
<p>Gonna take some time to do the things we never had.</p>
<p>On its own a simple statement, but when added to the rest of the lyrics perhaps not.  To me this implies that African experience is a unique experience.  Again not such a bad thing until we connect it with the fact that it turned him into a &#8220;thing&#8221;.  True wildness can only be experienced in Africa.</p>
<p>At any rate that is just my humble two cents, do with it what you will.</p>
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